24db wrote:Marbury wrote:The danger of this type of thing using the current VSTs and drum loops is that they date very easily. The original recordings don't because they were more organic, unique sounds produced on custom built hardware that nobody could afford. The digital age is a double edged sword. It gives us a chance to make music with a huge choice of sounds for relatively little money but its then very hard to sound original.
Try creating the atmosphere and sounds of Zeit, Atem, Rubycon etc with today's all singing and dancing VSTs. Even the early 80's cleaner digital sounds had an organic edge.
Sadly parts of Tangram are showing it's age anyway (and that coming from somebdy who loves it). The real danger is pre-judging stuff before we hear it....if the results aren't good or to our taste then that's how it is. So far what I've heard of the remixes I like them a lot...and they'll work well in a live situtation
Well said.
I am a computer technologist by trade, have been for 25 years, and we saw this on the horizon, but were not sure what form it would take. Many of the leaps and bounds brought some interesting results, namely the unchallenged notion you can download, without cost, everything that has ever been recorded and put to digital.
Anybody with a cheap computer and limewire can mess other peoples art up pretty badly. As we have seen, several attempts to prohibit piracy, theft and general no-good-nik behavior have fallen rather flat. An example of a knee jerk reaction was Microsofts DRM. I am a firm beleiver that the honest music enthusiast will purchase his music. (ya, ok thats naive) Granted. I do think that if sombody for whatever reason, beit monetary or otherwise steals a track, or portions for any reason, there needs to be serious consequences. At the very least, blatant disregard for artists work, like the hundreds of tracks that I have found with TD in the background, try and market their product they lose everything. This thing is not going to go away, and I understand litigation is not always the answer (look what happened to ther states) But, and a big but, there has to at least be the appearance of zero tolerance when someone alters anothers art without permission. That said, maybe its better to work alone in these projects and just hire people with that understanding, they are being hired only and are not going to be able to lay claim unless pre-agreed.
Thank God (if there is one) That I have so little talent that these lofty issues will never effect me personally, what does effect me though, is the mood of the record producers and artists who are being ripped off on a daily basis. DJ's once played discs, now they have taken upon themselves to alter, with cheesy equipment, and even cheesier ideas other peoples music in the hopes of turning themselves into some kinda star. Well, that may fool inibriated youth, but it speaks to a larger issue of Ownership trumping posession. I knew when I was 12 years old that I was only buying the right to listenm and enjoy the music on my new LP, I did not have the right to fix how I saw fit. Many people are of the opinion they bought the disc, they own the content.
My idea, several tiered multi license for downloading files for your player, a subscriber fee for entertainment, 250.00 per year, download all you want. If you want to copy these tunes, or use them in your speach as background music or anything of the sort the cost dramatically increases so it is out of touch to the average schmoe, thirdly you cannot touch a hair on a piece of art or music without written permission from the artist, failure to do that will land you in prison with a gazillion dollar fine that you cxannot hope to ever pay. That with slow the shenanigens.
Remeber the mouse police that never sleep? Why cant we have the ipod police that never sleep.
Ok sorry, rant over.
Scorp
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