Rolling Stone: The 50 best German records ever...

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of course , this proves that polls and lists are utterly useless,pointless and idiotic

let's have a poll to prove it...er...or not

[multivit72]

reminds me of a scene in "High Fidelity":
"What are your influences?" Jack Black: "You wouldnt't know them, mostly German..".

referencing obscure German bands seems to be considered "Uber cool" in certain circles...
...which in turns reminds me of the Kraftwerk-joke in The Big Lebowski, always cracks me up

[multivit72]

fans here and elsewhere could knock together a decent top 50 best german records ever.....


here is a 10 to start


TD: zeit, alpha centauri, atem, phaedra, rubycon
ART: ash ra tempel, join inn, Schwingungen
KS: irrlicht, timewind
Can: tago mago

thats 11

number 11 is included in the RS list

excellent, what is the top ten in RS?

ok, here are the Top 10:

10: Kraftwerk - Trans Europa Express
9: Kraftwerk - Autobahn
8: Einstürzende Neubauten - 1/2 Mensch (disturbing, but great)
7: Element of Crime - Weißes Papier (one of my favourite bands, great chanson-style music and poetic lyrics)
6: Ideal - Ideal (cool german New Wave with - yes, really - a sense of humour)
5: Trio - Trio (speaking of German humour - the DaDaDa guys...)
4: Ton Steine Scherben - Keine Macht für Niemand (fantastic German Agit-Rock)
3: Neu! - Neu! (still have to hear it, Neu has been on my to-hear-list for a long time)
2: Kraftwerk - Die Mensch-Maschine
1: Fehlfarben - .Monarchie und Alltag (a regular at the number one spot in those kind of listings und not undeservedly so - sort of the German Joy Division and early Cure with very sharp lyrics)

so it's an agreeable selection, rating Trio that high might be a surprise to some and I think Udo Lindenberg should have been in the Top 10.
But exactly because it is kind of a canonic list, leaving out Tangerine Dream is so annoying...

[alipaul]

No wonder they feel more at home in Austria or the UK

[Tropylium]

of course , this proves that polls and lists are utterly useless,pointless and idiotic

let's have a poll to prove it...er...or not

The RS list is a poll?

Cf. an actual user-generated Germany top 100 — nope, still not that much TD in there, first one's Bootleg Box Set 1 at #73. Schulze does considerably better, for some reason…

[multivit72]

it's nto a readers poll - the records were selected by a jury of journalists, musicians, music business members etc.

[whiteeagle]

number 11 is included in the RS list

excellent, what is the top ten in RS?

ok, here are the Top 10:

10: Kraftwerk - Trans Europa Express
9: Kraftwerk - Autobahn
8: Einstürzende Neubauten - 1/2 Mensch (disturbing, but great)
7: Element of Crime - Weißes Papier (one of my favourite bands, great chanson-style music and poetic lyrics)
6: Ideal - Ideal (cool german New Wave with - yes, really - a sense of humour)
5: Trio - Trio (speaking of German humour - the DaDaDa guys...)
4: Ton Steine Scherben - Keine Macht für Niemand (fantastic German Agit-Rock)
3: Neu! - Neu! (still have to hear it, Neu has been on my to-hear-list for a long time)
2: Kraftwerk - Die Mensch-Maschine
1: Fehlfarben - .Monarchie und Alltag (a regular at the number one spot in those kind of listings und not undeservedly so - sort of the German Joy Division and early Cure with very sharp lyrics)

so it's an agreeable selection, rating Trio that high might be a surprise to some and I think Udo Lindenberg should have been in the Top 10.
But exactly because it is kind of a canonic list, leaving out Tangerine Dream is so annoying...

"Trio" instead of Tangerine Dream?
that was like a kid's song, when I was a kid back then....
.....but what can you do?
journalists like these, always going for the "cool" and the "exclusive" stuff, just to pretend they are clever and they're know better
yes, it is soooo boring......

[Chris Monk]

....no surprise there. Some things never change.

[Hipgnosis]

Hi,

Since when is that magazine the pariah or the authority on music that doesn't kiss their tush ... besides, TD doesn't provide a nude cover for the magazine to make more money than the band does ... !!!

Get ce-real!

I seriously doubt that Edgar would even have some fun talking to people that only know how to discuss sales and stars! ... and as above, I doubt that Edgar would even pose for a picture for them!

I actually hope that Edgar gave them a finger at one time or another ... if there is a magazine that needs to be taken down a notch, I would say that is one of them ... but don't worry ... people will remember TD and the music 100 years from now and no one will give a damn about the magazine! As Carlos C used to say ... you know what Mexicans do with paper?

[bigmoog]

this is Julian Cope's top 50, which is close to being definitive imho and for 'kraut rock' is a near perfect list of the best of the well known german music (probably well known, outside Germany....in the underground.....).I would add Phaedra, Rubycon..... KS's Timewind...Emtidi's saat, Hölderlins Traum (coz I like them), and add a few other groups records to make a top 60/70/80/100...which would be easy. Its also useful to see that the majority is pre 1980.....and some on the list is an acquired taste......

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/groonrikk ... ulian_cope

[whiteeagle]

this is Julian Cope's top 50, which is close to being definitive imho and for 'kraut rock' is a near perfect list of the best of the well known german music (probably well known, outside Germany....in the underground.....).I would add Phaedra, Rubycon..... KS's Timewind...Emtidi's saat, Hölderlins Traum (coz I like them), and add a few other groups records to make a top 60/70/80/100...which would be easy. Its also useful to see that the majority is pre 1980.....and some on the list is an acquired taste......

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/groonrikk ... ulian_cope

yeah! 'Saat' by Emtidi is an amazing record!
oh my god....so many memories connected with this record
I won't hide the fact, because of Julian's book I created a nice little Krautrock section in my record collection
thanks for this post

[Marc M]

Why wasting money to buy this parody of a music magazine anyway ? As far as I could read, journalists in RS have been often pretentious intellectuals who wants to sound "young and rock'n'nroll".
I've long ceased to spend my money on anything else than fanzines and even those can get on my nerves sometimes... even if I write in one of them...
Rolling Stone... just the name makes me sick.
I think I never liked what represents what some people call "rock", actually !

I guess there wasn't any Klaus Schulze album either ?

[24db]

of course , this proves that polls and lists are utterly useless,pointless and idiotic

let's have a poll to prove it...er...or not

The RS list is a poll?

Cf. an actual user-generated Germany top 100 — nope, still not that much TD in there, first one's Bootleg Box Set 1 at #73. Schulze does considerably better, for some reason…

the irony was missed?

[24db]

Why wasting money to buy this parody of a music magazine anyway ? As far as I could read, journalists in RS have been often pretentious intellectuals who wants to sound "young and rock'n'nroll".
I've long ceased to spend my money on anything else than fanzines and even those can get on my nerves sometimes... even if I write in one of them...
Rolling Stone... just the name makes me sick.
I think I never liked what represents what some people call "rock", actually !

I guess there wasn't any Klaus Schulze album either ?

never bought a copy of Rolling Stone in my life...I don't remember it ever being popular in the UK

[multivit72]

Why wasting money to buy this parody of a music magazine anyway ? As far as I could read, journalists in RS have been often pretentious intellectuals who wants to sound "young and rock'n'nroll".
I've long ceased to spend my money on anything else than fanzines and even those can get on my nerves sometimes... even if I write in one of them...
Rolling Stone... just the name makes me sick.
I think I never liked what represents what some people call "rock", actually !

I guess there wasn't any Klaus Schulze album either ?

nope...